Augustine Hoy has provided an enduring mystery for decades. He left many traces of his existence, including a large and fertile family. But then he vanished. His uncommon first name was repeated over and over again through several generations of his descendants, which has been a wonderful boon to research. Namesakes make the job of sifting through copious records so much easier. However, he is one of those ancestors who appear to have been abducted by aliens! There is no trace of him in death, probate or inquest records in the state of Victoria, nor in any other state of Australia. Nor anywhere else in the world that I have been able to find. Augustine, if you’re out there please wave!
What is known about Augustine Hoy?
Augustine Hoy was born in the county of Dublin in Ireland around 1814. No baptism record has been located, so that end of his life is similarly clouded in mystery. A family story survives in more than one branch of descendants that he came from ‘Silveroak Castle’. Of course, there is no such place in Ireland. But let’s take into account the ‘Chinese Whispers’ effect. There is a place known as Slieveroe (which could easily morph into Silveroak over several generations of repetition) near the border of counties Dublin and Kildare. The civil parish there is Newcastle, and yes indeed there are the ruins of a castle in the town.
The Catholic parish is also called Newcastle, and I believe this is his home parish. There were Hoys on land there in the Griffiths Valuation, but this was well after he left the country so I can’t physically place Augustine there. The parish records remain with the local church and are not digitised. I have written to them with no result as yet. So this remains my working hypothesis but further evidence is required before I can be fully confident. I’m currently working on the tree of a Dublin Hoy DNA match to see if I can get there from another angle.
He moved to England, but of course, no passenger lists survive. In 1833 he married Frances McGeow in Eccles, Lancashire. No fathers’ names are given, as this predated civil registration by just a few short years. Together they had three children in England…Ann, Margaret and Augustine, the first of his namesakes.
The Hoys in Australia
By 1841, Augustine and Fanny had decided to emigrate to Australia. They boarded the ship ‘Intrinsic’ on 10th June as bounty emigrants with Margaret and Augustine junior and headed for the recently settled colony of Port Phillip (now the state of Victoria).
The date is significant as it was just four days after the 1841 Census was taken. An earlier departure would have meant there would have been no trace of his family in any English census. They settled in the Western District, initially around Belfast (Port Fairy) and later at Grasmere, where he farmed a little land and Fanny raised a rapidly growing brood of children as well as being a cook for local whalers.
He was mentioned several times in the diary of another early settler, Augustus Bostock, who eventually took over Augustine’s land when he became insolvent in 1857. The insolvency did not necessarily indicate he was bad with money. Several of the locals found themselves in the same situation following a fire at Bateman’s store in Warrnambool. He, like many, had been paid for his produce in tokens issued by the business. These became worthless when the store was completely destroyed by fire on the eve of Bateman’s business practices being investigated by the bank.
For many years this was the last I heard of him. His children grew up, and several dispersed around the state – Margaret and Reuben went north to Ararat, Mary Ann even further north into New South Wales, Charles went to Geelong and Joseph went east to Sale in Gippsland. Fanny and the remaining surviving children (Augustine and Thomas) stayed around the Warrnambool area. She died in 1895. Her death certificate indicated she was a widow. The informant was Augustine junior, so this should be reliable information.
So where was Augustine Hoy between 1857 and 1895? In desperation, I purchased all of the marriage certificates of his children. A couple mentioned he was a gold miner, so it became apparent that he had sought his fortune on the goldfields. Not unexpected given the gold rush was in full flight in 1850’s Victoria.
It wasn’t until Trove grew to include a wider range of newspapers that I eventually found him mentioned in the mid-1860s up in Ararat where Margaret and Reuben were living with their families. This was probably where he had been mining, as their rush had started in 1857, just when Augustine had needed to start over. By then he was doing agricultural work as a ploughman. But still, no mention of his death. There was no death certificate issued. There is no record of him being buried in Ararat or anywhere else. He simply vanished.
Augustine’s namesakes
For such an elusive man, his family seem determined to remember him. At least four generations continued the name of Augustine. So far I have found over 20 descendants using his moniker, though often as a middle name. This has proved to be a wonderful way to verify the correct Hoy family amongst several others around the state. Let’s face it, Augustine is unusual, and we’ve already seen the usefulness of unusual middle names! But no one in the extended family seems to have any idea where he went, how he died or where he is buried. If only they could have remembered that!
Did he fall down a mine shaft, where his bones lay to this day? One would think that a total disappearance would have rated a mention in the newspaper. Especially given that the forfeiture of his entry in a ploughing competition in Ararat garnered a mention! Did he leave for greener pastures? I thought he may have followed the gold to the later rushes in New Zealand. His death isn’t registered there, nor any indication of his presence. He continues to baffle and flummox.
Hi Samantha
The landedestates.ie website mentions Scully of Silverfort.
Have you checked this in the past? Given the Hoy/Hoey
possible connection perhaps worth a try.
Regards
Carol
Hi Carol, the more I research this family, the less confidence I have in her maiden name being Scully. Any contemporary documents involving her input have her surname as McGew or some variant of that. The Scully name is one that a couple of her children claimed as her maiden name when they married. Another claimed it was Tully, then there were also others who agreed with their mother. At this point, that is where the preponderance of evidence lies. I suspect a Scully may be found somwhere further back, given the nature of Chinese Whispers to have a grain of truth. But as for her…I think she had some variation of the name under which she was married and registered births.
Certainly not easy to solve!
There was an earlier marriage in Wales from memory for an Augustine/Augustus Hoey and a Mary. I haven’t the details with
me at the moment but I think Mary died not too long after their
marriage. This Augustine may then have moved to England and married Frances or it could be a different Augustine/Augustus.
I have wondered if Frances may have named her first daughter
after her Mother as was often the case. I have also wondered
whether Frances’ parents married. If Frances’ Mother married
after her birth to her Father or married a different person at some stage this could also account for surname confusion.
Will let you know if I find anything likely to be of interest.
Carol
Hi Carol, I think this was very likely the same Augustine, looking at it. He married Mary Jones in Holywell, Flintshire, Wales in 1831. Both supposedly OTP. Then in 1832, Mary the wife of Augustine Hoey is buried at Manchester Cathedral. We know our Augustine marries Frances in Eccles, right by Manchester the following year and they remain there till at least 1834 when their first child is born. Comparing his signature on each marriage document could help. The 1831 signature is distinctive, wobbly and messy as though he is barely literate. The second document just two years later is a Bishop’s Transcript which explains why the signature is suddenly neat and identical to the curate’s writing! I need to locate the actual PR entry to compare the signatures.
Regarding Frances, as she was born in the West Indies and was of mixed race, there is a good chance a formal marriage didn’t take place between her parents. It may also cause an issue with naming patterns as which one would she use…a local West Indian one or the Irish one…or even the English one? We don’t know that she ever stopped off in Ireland on the way to England. It’s a messy family isn’t it?
Great to be in touch with a fellow Hoy-puzzler!
Thanks Samantha.
Now that I have found some of my earlier records I note that
Catherine, daughter of Augustus and May/Mary Hoey of Salford was buried 8 May 1832 aged 7months. Her Mother, Mary, wife of
Augustine Hoey of Salford was buried 6 June 1832 aged 22 years.
If you wish I could email you a photo enlargement of an ambrotype image on glass of a well dressed lady holding a
young child. I sought advice as to the likely nationality of this
lady and was advised she could have been French Polynesian.
Similarly, I was advised the lady was likely in her 20’s. I do not know the exact date of the image – if Australian I think ambrotype
would have been available from approx the 1840’s, not sure
of commencement date in UK without further research.
My best guess is that this may be an image of Frances or one
of her daughters. If you would like to receive it, please note it
will be a reverse image of the ambrotype. On the original image
this lady appears to have a ring on a finger of her left hand, which
appears to be her right hand in the photo enlargement. Similarly,
this lady is holding the child in her left arm on the original
image but in her right arm in the photo enlargement. If you
would like this image would you mind confirming your email
address, please. Thank you.
Regards
Carol.
I would be fascinated to see that image yes please…my email address is samanthaljohn@gmail.com. and I look forward to finding where our family connection is too. Clearly you have a longstanding interest in the Hoys!
Hi Carol,
After doing some further digging, I have come to the conclusion that we cannot presume the earlier marriage/child/death of wife was the same Augustine Hoy. In August 1848, an Augustine Hoy was in court in Salford for a crime. It cannot be ‘our’ Augustine as by then he was in Australia and was having children there at this time (reported 19 Aug 1848, The Manchester Times and Manchester and Salford Advertiser and Chronicle). Therefore there were two men of the same name and similar ages who lived in the Manchester area, initially around the same time. My hypothesis is that they were likely related, possibly first cousins as the name is not common. Still an interesting lead that may assist us in confirming his origins with a bit of ‘FAN clubbing’!
Thank you Samantha.
I have just read your latest update.
If I find anything else of interest I’ll let you know.
Regards
Carol